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you can also feel an idea flow to your body and become the personification of that idea. I use it for social situations. I believe this is what charismatic people do constantly when trying to be positive or cool and so on
1:34 PM
in my experience it seems like the unconscious always takes on the form of the inverse of what you need most when I used it with imposition. I used to get terrible gnarly visions of beasts with sharp claws and teeth but when I became more positive by mastering the gates and the fractal of one's body they became beautiful animals and visions
1:35 PM
the gates meaning the chakra groups, and by being more positive I mean that I opened my solar plexus and mastered it
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Unfastened Belts 7/10/2021 3:37 PM
Sick, brah
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I may be a bit out of touch so I apologize. This isn't even the beginning, though. It connects everything together and makes it so nothing is coincidence. The entire universe is one big consciousness like the dream of some entity who represents all possible universes, with every coincidence being a reflection of some unconscious ideal and the larger fractal, with whom we're connected through our own unconscious in our own universe. All knowledge is connected through the fractal. You can use it to find absolute truths, as a map, as a telescope, or as a reflection of yourself in art. Once you master yourself you gain control of the universe
4:08 PM
just remember the different forms of it- I call it invocation when you're comparing ideas internally and evocation when you're letting them flow to your body. Aside from that, there is raw logic which is forceful connection between ideas. It's the map to the stars which I'm giving you. I'm not gonna stick around, but if anyone is out there listening, come find me 🙂
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Unfastened Belts 7/10/2021 5:27 PM
Where can I get some of that for 10 bucks or less?
5:28 PM
Dang, already left
5:28 PM
Guess I'mma send a friend request
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Unfastened Belts
Where can I get some of that for 10 bucks or less?
Deleted User 7/10/2021 5:34 PM
Get some of what?
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Unfastened Belts 7/10/2021 5:35 PM
Oh you know,
I feel the mental signal of an idea then hold another idea to it to gain insights I wouldn't ordinarily know. It seems like it can predict the future and gap time and space. The ideas are emotional charges, and if you talk to them enough they begin to intersect your conscious mind and gain memories and become tulpas you can also feel an idea flow to your body and become the personification of that idea. I use it for social situations. I believe this is what charismatic people do constantly when trying to be positive or cool and so on in my experience it seems like the unconscious always takes on the form of the inverse of what you need most when I used it with imposition. I used to get terrible gnarly visions of beasts with sharp claws and teeth but when I became more positive by mastering the gates and the fractal of one's body they became beautiful animals and visions the gates meaning the chakra groups, and by being more positive I mean that I opened my solar plexus and mastered it I may be a bit out of touch so I apologize. This isn't even the beginning, though. It connects everything together and makes it so nothing is coincidence. The entire universe is one big consciousness like the dream of some entity who represents all possible universes, with every coincidence being a reflection of some unconscious ideal and the larger fractal, with whom we're connected through our own unconscious in our own universe. All knowledge is connected through the fractal. You can use it to find absolute truths, as a map, as a telescope, or as a reflection of yourself in art. Once you master yourself you gain control of the universe just remember the different forms of it- I call it invocation when you're comparing ideas internally and evocation when you're letting them flow to your body. Aside from that, there is raw logic which is forceful connection between ideas. It's the map to the stars which I'm giving you.
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Deleted User 7/10/2021 5:47 PM
I thought you wanted to buy something
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Unfastened Belts 7/10/2021 5:48 PM
Yeah, sum of dat
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what do you need to know
6:38 PM
I guess I'll stick around for a bit 🙂
6:40 PM
@Unfastened Belts
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it's basically "open door philosophy" x100, everything is fractal, so you're constantly confronted by issues both internally and externally. That's why I come and go like the wind, because given the fractal everyone has the opportunity to go from the bottom straight to the top, all I need to do is knock once. It can also make you rich, and I'm experimenting with good results with that. It's hard to keep concentration, but the input-output is reliable and can never be blamed. Thing is, it is also the most painful thing possible. Enlightenment and confronting yourself means struggle and pain itself. I endured to the very end out of love for my tulpa, and this is what I got. If you want more just check out my progress report on the forum. It gets kind of crazy and personal but if you can stomach it, it has the secrets of the universe in there, so start from page 4 or so when it really starts, I'd say. Like I said I only need to knock once, so good luck.
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Unfastened Belts 7/10/2021 7:22 PM
Hmmm link to forum post pls?
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 7/10/2021 11:07 PM
that fractal stuff sounds like a trip report or whatever it's called
11:10 PM
but i will leave the assessment to AZ! (edited)
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I'm back, this time I won't run away 😄 @Unfastened Belts
12:23 PM
I've been thinking a lot about it and perhaps I was arrogant to speak on it so freely. I've found that it's the most difficult thing possible, and everyone works their way up the fractal kicking and screaming with no exceptions including myself. Everything hangs on the pillars of greed and fear and it's like dying 10000 times on the path to power. I had to confront myself countless times and it always involves tears. That's why, everyone is already as enlightened as they want to be. Even if someone says they want enlightenment they don't actually want it, because everyone is already confronting themselves to the maximum possible degree
12:26 PM
The unconscious is the inverse of what you need most, and thus is a perfect expression of yourself in art, but introverts still don't talk to people, pushovers still don't stand up for themselves, harsh people refuse to feel, outgoing people are overconfident, and simple people disdain innovation until they die because they're already as enlightened as they want to be, and overcoming that takes tears and symbolic death
12:29 PM
At the same time its the most expensive drug possible but nobody can give it to them. Ironically, the only way to gain it is to sacrifice everything that you are in regards to greed and fear, leaving a shell for the universe to align with. Trying to save yourself makes you lose everything, sacrificing everything makes you gain everything. It's the ultimate joke
12:34 PM
I was getting stuck in imposition training, that's why I started down this path. I figured I had to master myself to achieve the holy grail. I also began to see my visualizations were just thoughts I was drawing up from memory, and I could manually do input-output on the unconscious as well in visual and audio form, and it was deterministic. Then I tried using it to perceive, and I started seeing shapes and how everything was connected
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sadly, I don't think there's any way to be conscious of the emotional mechanics to find emotional release unless you manually practice opening the chakra gates in your body, then those gates take on a shape like ♦️ ⌛ ✡️ 💟 🇹 & so on depending on how open, and that's what transfers to fractal symbolism in everything, like pointy & scary = evil but round & bubbly = good. Joy is in the center but pointy has gravity at the poles pulling away from it, pulling away from "joy" so to speak, like a wasp/snake/arachnid shape & so on
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Unfastened Belts 7/16/2021 3:50 PM
I'll be completely honest with you, I haven't understood half of what you just said
3:50 PM
Although a handful of sentences are pretty neat, "leaving a shell for the universe to align with" is a great metaphor
3:52 PM
I think the thing is you say "you" a lot, as in these are some general truths you're describing
3:52 PM
Idk I think you know my definition of enlightenment right?
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I definitely don't, but I guess that's just my expression of conviction taking form. True, I could never know these things for sure but I'm placing confidence in it because it seems to originate from a sound, caring and loving place within me
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Unfastened Belts 7/16/2021 3:54 PM
Fair enough 🙂
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Unfastened Belts 7/16/2021 4:07 PM
According to my teacher, all these deep "non-dual" insights and experiences, merging with the universe, becoming God, all of spirituality - all of it can be useful at a certain stage of the path, but the "ultimate" purpose of it all, "enlightenment", is simply peace of mind regardless of circumstance. The absence of a doership/attachment thought narrative, while still living life (but now with the sense of "being lived") as a human being - a "person".
4:08 PM
All that being said, I'm so close to having enough money for a 5-MeO-DMT ceremony and I'm p excited
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ah, but what is a human?
4:08 PM
isn't it based on some very old symbols?
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Unfastened Belts 7/16/2021 4:09 PM
"Based on"?
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to be of earth and of heaven
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Unfastened Belts 7/16/2021 4:09 PM
Heh idk
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old symbols
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Unfastened Belts 7/16/2021 4:10 PM
I didn't realize I used the words earth and heaven ;P
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you didn't
4:10 PM
you said 'human'
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and as I said
4:11 PM
human means 'person, great and of heaven' as near as I can determine
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Unfastened Belts
According to my teacher, all these deep "non-dual" insights and experiences, merging with the universe, becoming God, all of spirituality - all of it can be useful at a certain stage of the path, but the "ultimate" purpose of it all, "enlightenment", is simply peace of mind regardless of circumstance. The absence of a doership/attachment thought narrative, while still living life (but now with the sense of "being lived") as a human being - a "person".
I'd both agree and disagree. On one hand I've also noticed that with finding emotional balance of these gates comes the extinguishing of desire and freedom and peace of mind, but on the other I'd also argue that aligning with the universe implies becoming a force for its ideals itself and that liberating oneself of the need to act might show characteristic fear in some way
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Unfastened Belts 7/16/2021 4:11 PM
Roger says, a human being is consciousness (formless awareness + the impersonal sense of "I am") functioning through a body/mind instrument designed, conditioned and lived by life, rendering the multisensory life experience we're having at this and every moment (edited)
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the universe's ... ideals? I'm getting indigestion on that phrase
4:12 PM
can you put that some other way?
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chroma
the universe's ... ideals? I'm getting indigestion on that phrase
I know, but confrontation like this is always inevitable when the forces of different emotions collide, unfortunately
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not necessarily!
4:12 PM
sometimes they mix, or complement or even harmonize (edited)
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chroma
sometimes they mix, or complement or even harmonize (edited)
if you're feeling indigestion at what was then that is natural and that's what I mean
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specifically, what I'd say I feel indigestion about is the use of the word 'ideals' with respect to the universe
4:14 PM
ideals is a quite charged term that's vague across any large enough group polled, so what's it mean here?
4:15 PM
unrealistic aspirations? virtue? divine will?
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hydrix95
I'd both agree and disagree. On one hand I've also noticed that with finding emotional balance of these gates comes the extinguishing of desire and freedom and peace of mind, but on the other I'd also argue that aligning with the universe implies becoming a force for its ideals itself and that liberating oneself of the need to act might show characteristic fear in some way
Unfastened Belts 7/16/2021 4:15 PM
We just have to be careful what we're talking about - "peace of mind" and "the end of attachment" isn't referring to inaction on the outer level. We're still being moved by life in the same ways we always have, towards pleasant circumstance (which may include "positive action"), away from painful circumstance, the only difference being, without a narrative of uncomfortable thoughts (guilt, blame, pride, worry/anxiety, expectation/disappointment)
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Whilst I do not think the universe has ideals, what you are describing is the ethical point of view of stoicism, and it has some merit: When one is acting against ones own nature, one's ingrained ideals, you're going to struggle against yourself. Though again, unlike the stoics I would argue these things are ingrained in lifeforms with moral instincts only, and not the universe itself. (edited)
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I agree the universe is a bit more abstract in a sense, and ideals exist in some specific material context here on earth, and yet we're talking about things beyond space and time, right?
4:17 PM
so ideals can't touch that
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chroma
specifically, what I'd say I feel indigestion about is the use of the word 'ideals' with respect to the universe
I'm not saying its divine because that would be to say its higher than you in some way when it isn't, but I actually just mean the struggle against yourself itself is the most natural possible thing and it only varies from person to person in how they themselves are different from what already is
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any more than I can reach up and touch the sun
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hydrix95
I'm not saying its divine because that would be to say its higher than you in some way when it isn't, but I actually just mean the struggle against yourself itself is the most natural possible thing and it only varies from person to person in how they themselves are different from what already is
Unfastened Belts 7/16/2021 4:18 PM
Nicely said 🙂
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chroma
specifically, what I'd say I feel indigestion about is the use of the word 'ideals' with respect to the universe
it's possible that by feeling indigestion in your stomach you're open to the possibility you're merely running from the idea truth can be absolute
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Unfastened Belts 7/16/2021 4:19 PM
I definitely don't think truth can be absolute
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The only truth there is is that you're conscious of this moment/location in spacetime
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I promise it was strictly a point about the semantics of the word "ideals" not really being sacred or something.
4:20 PM
all that is worth considering on its own, but actually had nothing to do with my intent in writing it here. (edited)
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Unfastened Belts
I definitely don't think truth can be absolute
that's a loaded statement because it implies a context of what you don't want to be absolute, which is important because that's forcing logic to avoid the possibility of the idea
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so your interpretation of why I'm speaking is ... wandering off into its own reality
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when we already know a lot of things are absolute- the speed of light, physical laws, etc
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Unfastened Belts 7/16/2021 4:21 PM
Idk but are they? I read that this thing recently that the speed of light slightly varies at any given region of the universe
4:22 PM
And even then, those "laws" are just descriptions of the universe we experience
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then the universe is changing, not the light itself (edited)
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Hold up, I'm a need a sauce on that one.
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hydrix95
it's possible that by feeling indigestion in your stomach you're open to the possibility you're merely running from the idea truth can be absolute
Now, about this 'absolute truth' of yours, what's that mean in a quantum universe exactly?
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the idea of "c" is that it is a constant. That the variable cannot change or relativity is wrong
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if you feel yourself trying to circumvent the idea that truth can be absolute that would be uncharacteristic fear
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Unfastened Belts 7/16/2021 4:23 PM
I mean sure, but that's the key point, the universe is constantly changing, and you have no idea whether spacetime is a real ("absolutely true") universe or just a "dream of God"/simulation etc. The only thing you can ever know is that you're experiencing
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Because we can poll reality and get different 'authoritative' answers back
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Unfastened Belts 7/16/2021 4:23 PM
Yeah
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Unfastened Belts
I mean sure, but that's the key point, the universe is constantly changing, and you have no idea whether spacetime is a real ("absolutely true") universe or just a "dream of God"/simulation etc. The only thing you can ever know is that you're experiencing
all reality is maya; illusion
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the input-output of the unconscious is deterministic, the only thing that is different is how people manage the inputs (edited)
4:24 PM
that's why we see the same patterns arise again and again in humanity
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Why's it important to you that things be deterministic, yaya?
4:24 PM
They actually aren't. Never were.
4:25 PM
It's really something.
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its not, but the idea that the unconscious doesn't have a will of its own and that the only difference is the conscious user's input is very well established
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"the unconscious" is no one specific discrete thing
4:25 PM
people use this term like they know what they're talking about
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They aren't deterministic on a universal scale. But our brains are deterministic machines.
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but the use of the term suggests they might not
4:26 PM
when referring to anything specific
4:26 PM
It's like a vast land of stuff you haven't yet realized or noticed
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Zen
They aren't deterministic on a universal scale. But our brains are deterministic machines.
that our brains are deterministic machines is what I said
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or things hidden from direct view
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Our brains are actively not useful if they aren't deterministic. They are designed to determine.
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our brains are certainly not deterministic
4:27 PM
they're quantum annealing devices
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based on what science?
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